Thank you sir, for this wonderful report.

May 26, 2009,20:46 PM
 

It stands on its own merits as a complete entity - an enlightening personal view of two of the leading watches of today.

I would nevertheless like to add my own humble perspective.

The thing which sets watches such as these apart from any time-only piece from a "brand" is their direct connection with the personality of their creators, and in this respect, the two watches are equals.

The Simplicity is, and will undoubtedly remain, Dufour's "signature" piece - his previous small output of pocket watches, minute repeaters and dual-escapement watches, while known and loved by aficionados, has been largely subsumed by the fame of this legendary series. The story behind the Simplicity reveals something of the essence of the man - a groundbreaking effort of quiet dedication to "pure" horology, eschewing the flashiness and elitism of grand complications in favour of moderation and accessibility.

It is the piece which has made PD famous to the broader world of watch-lovers and has propelled his reputation into the stratosphere. At the same time, it has proven to be something of a millstone around his neck, as (due to various well-documented personnel problems) he has been forced to denote nearly a decade of his life to the completion of this series, to the exclusion of other projects which I am sure he is dying to undertake.

KV, on the other hand, has been able to avoid this problem by restricting the output of the Observatoire to a much smaller total number. This has allowed him to continue small-scale production of complicated watches such as chronographs and minute repeaters, as well as performing a small amount of outsource work for third parties (as revealed by Gary G in his recent post). KV has also been more successful in building a team of reliable employees, allowing him a higher (although still very small - about 40 pieces per annum) production capability. He nevertheless manages to imbue each piece with a feeling that it was created by him alone.

Both men are true artists. Wearing a Simplicity or an Observatoire is like owning an oil painting by a Renaissance Master - these watches transcend mere "artisanship" to reach the status of true "art". And yet, the men behind these watches are both down-to-earth, highly approachable individuals with a conspicuous absence of airs and graces. They are both gregarious to a fault - any potential client, indeed, any watch lover, is welcome to meet them in person and get to know them as a friend, which makes the ownership experience much more personal. This, despite the fact that both men are presently overwhelmed with orders and could so easily affect an air of distant arrogance.

Essentially, this boils down to humility. Dufour is older, he has been famous for longer, and certainly he is entitled to the air of understated confidence which one detects when talking to him. But there is no brash swagger. Voutilainen is truly one of the most humble and self-effacing people I have ever had the pleasure to meet. Both men are immensely charming, and happy to talk openly and at length about their work, their lives, and their views on horology and the watch industry. This is in stark contrast to the guardedness and (frankly speaking) the evasiveness of so many in the industry when engaged at a personal level.

The Observatoire will always be famed as the piece which "broke" Kari's name and allowed him the freedom to explore his true potential. The Simplicity, on the other hand, has extra significance as a watch which (to some extent at least) has restricted Dufour's ability to create the more astonishing artworks of which we all know he is fully capable. In that sense, I would say that ownership (should I write "guardianship" instead?) of a Simplicity implies the sharing of a greater sacrifice on the part of its creator - which I would regard as a huge privilege for the lucky recipient of such a piece.


Cheers
Tony P


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Dufour and Voutilainen...

 
 By: pplater : May 23rd, 2009-09:08
It’s the answer to the question that no-one should ask, but since a few have asked, here (for what it’s worth) are some strictly personal observations upon the Philippe Dufour ‘Simplicity’ (“PD”) alongside the Kari Voutilainen ‘Observatoire’ (“KV”). Both ...  

That's a Hell of a Post, pplater

 
 By: amanico : May 23rd, 2009-10:31
Comparing these 2 pure monsters of horology is just painful for the reader who dreams about these pieces ( and I include myself in this long list ) But suffering may be good, and here is a very nice example. I must confess a light weakness for the KV. The... 

Incredible post

 
 By: Mostel : May 23rd, 2009-10:41
Thanks so much pplater. My layman thoughts: I will always regard Dufour as The One. His place in history is most relevant. He is The One who made Kari 'possible'. (Certainly not in terms of talent. But before Dufour, there was no independent worth mention... 

Terrific 1000th post, just terrific!

 
 By: MarcB : May 23rd, 2009-10:43
Thank you for your wonderful "compare and contrast": no first among equals indeed. Your final picture (of the PD) is quite amazing: luminous, radiant, the lighting gives the dial a look akin to that of mother of pearl. Congratulations on the wonderful wat... 

Thanks a lot pplater !

 
 By: foversta : May 23rd, 2009-12:21
I must confess I prefer the Observatoire. Because in Kari's watch there is something classic with a touch of originality (the case, the lugs, the hands, the balance bridge etc...) I don't find in the Simplicity. The Simplicity is of course impressive but ...  

thanx

 
 By: monochrome : May 27th, 2009-12:52
Thanx for the beautifull report pplatter! @ Fr.Xavier... fully agree with you. The Voulianen has something more playful in it's design, which i really like.

Amazing post and comparison

 
 By: 1440 : May 23rd, 2009-14:09
If I had to choose between the two, it would be a very difficult decision indeed. You are fortunate to have both, and we certainly appreciate the time and effort that went into the comparison of these two incredible pieces. I tend to agree with Mostel abo... 

Fantastic comparison PPlater!! FWIW, I much prefer the KV!

 
 By: Craig LA : May 23rd, 2009-15:00
Now we need a comparison of the minute repeaters made by PD and KV . . . That would be very interesting. Craig

Have just read...

 
 By: Rob : May 23rd, 2009-15:31
a future REFERENCE standard report. Incredible writeup pplater!!! This rightfully belongs in the archives of premier comparison reviews IMHO. Thanks for sharing!!

First off, congrats on your 1000th post!!

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : May 23rd, 2009-16:04
And secondly, great comparison review of the Simplicity and Observatoire! Since PD and KV watches are known primarily for their movement finishing, has anyone asked either of them for a custom watch with NO dial? Is the movement finished as well on the di... 

Wow! Fantastic comparison and reference

 
 By: Gary G : May 23rd, 2009-16:10
pplater, you have done a wonderful job of documenting the strengths, similarities, and differences of these two works from today's masters. I particularly appreciated your section on "the experience" -- your article would have been superb even without it,... 

Simply wonderful article and will be read by many in future :-)

 
 By: CL : May 23rd, 2009-18:30
Thank you very much Kevin for such wonderful treat. They both are marvelous pieces and I love them both. Form your pictures, Observatoire seems a lot bigger than the Simplicity, that will be the only concern I have for my small wrist. Hopefully the downwa... 

Thanks

 
 By: Quan : May 23rd, 2009-20:10
for such detail comparison post, this will keep lots of our WISdom alive and continue to dream to get either one.

Great comparo write-up PP.

 
 By: ArthurSG : May 23rd, 2009-20:52
It has contributed much to my ongoing education and more so growing interests in Independents. From an aesthetics POV, "static" shots of both tend to favor the KV but on wrist shots, the PD seems to come out better for me. Thank you again for the time and... 

A brilliant post Kevin

 
 By: SJX : May 23rd, 2009-20:55
Thank you for the comparison. Now how about a comparison between the KV and the Sinn? - SJX

Thanks for the excellent post, Pplater!

 
 By: dxboon : May 23rd, 2009-21:58
Congrats on your 1000th post also. Is it time to change your avatar from a Novitiate to a Superior? I think you have moved well beyond the level of novice in the world of horology. I learned a great deal from your article, and found the pictures to be ver... 

Congratulations from me too…

 
 By: AndrewD : May 23rd, 2009-23:10
That’s a brilliant review and comparison of these two iconic pieces of haute horlogerie. It’s also a fitting contribution for your 1000 th post. I thought I knew these two watches fairly thoroughly from what has been written of them in the past, but you b... 

Thank you for a marvellous report................

 
 By: Topcat30093 : May 24th, 2009-00:21
I have throughly enjoyed reading this beautifully written article. It would be well deserved that hopefully it will be placed into the reference section for all to see and read. I truly admire both these great master watchmakers and their work. I hope tha... 

A tremendious hands on comparison...

 
 By: DonCorson : May 24th, 2009-02:01
Thanks pplater for a great report. I am very divided on these two "equals". I prefer the Voutilainen dial side with its more modern design, but the Dufour movement side with the perfection of its proportions. Just can't decide... Don

Phenomenal 1000th. Post!

 
 By: fernando : May 24th, 2009-07:01
What a showdown between two living legends! Enjoyed it thoroughly,many thanks for sharing. Fernando

We are all here, pplater, attentive and at the edge of our seats . . .

 
 By: Dr No : May 24th, 2009-11:51
. . . thank you kindly, sir. Most cordially, Art

Wonderful head to head review!

 
 By: Allen : May 24th, 2009-11:52
After looking at every aspect of these two watches, the most relevant seems to be the emotional experience. It would be hard to pick one over the other each morning. I ordered my Simplicity a year before I even heard of Kari for the first time and I'm sti... 

A fantastic post

 
 By: tahoeblue : May 24th, 2009-17:28
Does not get much better than that either in posts or watches! Many thanks.

Thanks pplater

 
 By: JerryW : May 24th, 2009-17:52
What a treat to see both of these beauties side by side, a rare occurance. This was a great opportuinty for all of us to learn so much about two amazing watches. If AT would allow a top ten posts of the year list I would vote for this one to be included. ... 

Wonderful Watches, Matched With a Wonderful Post...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 25th, 2009-01:00
A fantastic post. I loved every single chapter; with my favorites being the ones about the movements and ironically the crowns. And I especially enjoyed your analogies between Dufour and Voutilainen. Please feel free to include a post about the packaging ... 

What a way to post your 1000th posting. A home run all the way.

 
 By: Sleng : May 25th, 2009-02:31
Your comparison has definitely open another side of view of PD and I must agree that both these 2 gems are legends in the making. However, I still have the slight weakness for KV's Observatoire over PD's Simplicity. Just my very personal view. Can't wait ... 

Grandest 1000th post ever

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : May 25th, 2009-02:36
Finally I found answer to the eternal question and all the sub-questions regarding KV & PD Thank you for this marvel Sincerely Damian

Wonder what you plan to feature in your 10,000th post...

 
 By: samwan : May 25th, 2009-04:31
I will wait with great enthusiasm pplater Thank you for the fantastic write-up and comparison. Sam

What a stunning post!

 
 By: TimAbz : May 25th, 2009-07:26
Great job, pplater. Super comparison, and very comprehensive. Thanks for posting this. Personally prefer the looks of the Kari - unmistakable style. Tim

Thanks for this most brilliant and insightful comparison review

 
 By: schen : May 25th, 2009-07:35
of the two wonders. A great post and a great service to this community. A best read for me on this long weekend. I'm sure I among many others will read it again many times in future.

Wonderful post and great comparative analysis.

 
 By: Mel : May 25th, 2009-11:35
No technical gobbley-gook, just pure emotional analysis. While both watches are superb, I prefer the PD. Great job and thanks.

Honesty....

 
 By: MTF : May 25th, 2009-20:47
pplater, Thank you for taking the time to craft your review. I have never commented on either watch before but your observations and commentary has pushed me into making a CHOICE in public (gasp faint gulp): Kari Voutilainen Why? Because it is an 'honest'... 

WOOHOO!!!...

 
 By: pplater : May 25th, 2009-22:21
[First, a quick word of thanks to all who have responded to this post thus far. Your comments have been kind and a little humbling. Many of the comments and questions have received a response by PM but, MTF, yours was so galvanising (in a genuinely positi... 

Sometimes its about people.....

 
 By: MTF : May 26th, 2009-09:35
pplater, I could...nay...should...take the easy route and simply state that it's a visceral feeling. From a PuristS viewpoint, that may prove to be the ultimately correct answer; seeking perfection in an imperfect world, my perfection is my perception. Or... 

A great review and thanks for undertaking it - loved the read

 
 By: 219 : May 26th, 2009-02:09
Are you sure you would not compare Ch. Latour with Screaming Eagle? If I had to choose, it would be the KV for the love of the balance wheel and the more robust form. The pedigree movement would always win over the proprietary finished piece. Loved the re... 

I would think KV's is a "more" honest watch

 
 By: ling5hk : May 26th, 2009-16:08
MTF, Today, it is not easy to find an "honest watch" with the maker's genuine philosophy in horology, quality of its execution and its price as a whole package. Regards Ling

This is the first time that I have felt that reading is BETTER than owning

 
 By: bernard cheong : May 26th, 2009-01:27
I think you have just managed to counter GLOBAL recession and made reading a fine, superb post...with details and pictures. Certainly from my perspective of having very close relations with these objects, I sincerely feel that just reading your presentati... 

Very interesting read, thanks a lot for sharing this info

 
 By: Geo : May 26th, 2009-03:04
with us. These watches, it would be hard for me to choose, are so incredible. Geo

Thank you sir, for this wonderful report.

 
 By: tony p : May 26th, 2009-20:46
It stands on its own merits as a complete entity - an enlightening personal view of two of the leading watches of today. I would nevertheless like to add my own humble perspective. The thing which sets watches such as these apart from any time-only piece ... 

Well articulated Tony

 
 By: Mostel : May 27th, 2009-20:25
I agree with everything you said.

Beautifully worded, Tony [nt]

 
 By: Topcat30093 : May 28th, 2009-01:45
No message body

What being high-level WIS is all about!

 
 By: Larry Seiden : May 27th, 2009-17:26
Tremendous job, well written and I love the comparison. Of course, you are in a world, that many of us aspire to, but few reach. Larry

One (very small) potential correction?

 
 By: Gary G : May 28th, 2009-21:05
I can't see your photo of the KV deployant closely enough to confirm, but my buckle (of identical design) is clearly stamped "750" indicating that it is gold, not SS. Any chance you can check yours again? Thanks, Gary

Corrigendum and apologia...

 
 By: pplater : June 3rd, 2009-03:35
Thank you Gary; although it did not seem possible to examine the watch more minutely than had already occurred, on further inspection you are (of course) entirely correct. The embarrassment of having made the mistake in the first place is equalled only by... 

I had to look twice myself...

 
 By: Gary G : June 3rd, 2009-15:12
When I read your initial post, I took out my watch and began to inspect the clasp, looking for hallmarks in the "usual" places near the ends. It was only when I held the watch in a certain light that the markings became visible! As you know, in most photo... 

I'm a big fan of your posts, pplater... ;-))

 
 By: Emmanuel H : June 3rd, 2009-14:34
I'm truly impressed by these two watches which are the nicest examples of the traditional and independent Haute Horlogerie . If I had to choose between the two, I would take the KV. Thanks for sharing pplater, Emmanuel

price question

 
 By: collector : June 30th, 2009-11:18
hi all, does anybody know how much the watches of Dufour and Voutilainen cost. thanks

See your PM (nt)

 
 By: Gary G : June 30th, 2009-11:59
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