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Langematik Perpetual Platinum or Patek 5159G
Jun 25 2008,16:04 PM

I would really appreciate a bit of help in making this difficlut, but wonderful decision. I had already decided on the Patek 5159G prior to spending an evening on the Lange website which really peaked my interest in the Lange Perpetual. I believe the quality is esentially  the same for both watches and the Patek will cost approx 15K more to purchase.

While I have owned a few Pateks over the years, I have never owned a Lange watch. I used to find most of the Lange collection to have a somewhat "cold" feeling when you actually got the watch in hand. It was as though it was almost to precise or to stiff, I'm not quite sure how to explain it, but I'm sure I am not the only watch enthusiast to have experienced this feeling. The Perpetual somehow seemed different to me, at least via the web. Has anyone had a chance to actually handle both watches?  If there has been a comparison between the two that I could read, I would greatly appreciate a link to the article. I don't remember seeing the two watches compared side by side in Watchtime magazine or any other major publication.  I look forward to any ideas, thoughts or feedback.

Thanks

 

 

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Lange!
Jun 25 2008,17:43 PM

The langematik perp. is really hard to beat. No real criteria except I think it is a better looking watch.

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Between the two....
Jun 25 2008,21:04 PM

has to be the Langematik Perpetual....

but will choose the 5140G over the LP. Does it serve more to confuse than to convince? My apologies then...

 

sh

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I have had the pleasure...
Jun 25 2008,21:33 PM

...to view both up close and personal.  One friend owning the 5159G, and the other owning the LP, both allowed me to try on their respective watches.  This is like choosing between Sophia Lauren and Marilyn Monroe, two classic beauties with distinguishing differences. 

The 5159G is in white gold versus platinum, and has an officers case with retrograding date hand as well as onion crown.  The diameter of the watch is about the same as LP, at 38mm but the height is around 12mm.  When I tried this piece on, it felt solid and well built on my wrist.  You could feel the heft (bit top heavy but not too much at all).  The painted romans w/ symetrical dial layout of the date windows and moonphase is absolutely stunning.  Im also a sucker for an officer case with hunter caseback as this one displays.  Lastly the movement finishing is absolutely top notch.

The LP is also a stunningly built piece and one that my significant other considers to be her favorite watch.  When you look at a Lange in my opinion it oozes perfection.  It just has that something that you cant describe, which makes it stand out from the rest.  Maybe its the perfection in every detail that adds up to create that "glow" that emminates from its watches.  The LP is no different.  This piece is simple and stunning, with a diameter of 38.5 and height at 10mm.  The case is in platinum, and the layout of this piece is perfect as well.  The rhodium colored dial does some amazing stuff in the light, and the applied romans w/ beautifully finished moonphase is impeccable.  As with the Patek, the finishing on the Lange is second to none.  Lange is known for their perfection with finishing, and this is very evident in thr LP.

You can not go wrong with wither watch, as both are in classes of their own.  As I mentioned above, the Patek is a bit top heavy, and if this is a problem for you yo might want to try it on first.  My only complaint with the LP is the legibility of the date indicator.  The Patek with its windows edges out the LP in this regard.  As far as movement finishing, Im no expert, but Ive got to believe that these two are so close that it really cant be discerned.  The only real major advantage that the Lange has over the Patek is that it is Platinum versus White Gold.  As far as collectibility, we all know that there is alot that goes into that.  I will leave this topic blank for you to fill in the rest.

In the end I would give the slight edge to the Patek.  Remember this is my taste, and my taste only, so dont take this too seriously.  The Patek is an absolute beauty, and like I said I am a sucker for date windows and officers case.  In other words this particular Patek speaks to me and happens to be one of my favorite watches, with the LP not to far behind.

Best,

Scott

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Lange Perpetual superior in at least 3 areas
Jun 26 2008,09:23 AM

The quality & finish on LP is superior by a wide margin to 5159. Regardless of whether it is the dial or the movement, the difference becomes quite apparent especially when you examine it close-up.

On practicality, LP again wins hands down with the big date as it is the absolute easiest to read. This becomes a rather stark contrast to the elegant but nevertheless miniscule windows. Of course, this is easier to read than the 5140 but the yardstick is Lange's big date.

LP is also the clear winner on the little details like zero reset. What a joy to pull the crown for the seconds hand to reset to zero! Whilst it takes a little getting used to initially, but setting date by forward setting of the full-moon date is clearly easier to use than trying to approximate how the moon should look like on the 12th day after full moon.

My vote would go to LP regardless of price. But whichever you choose, do post a photo.

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This is an easy one
Jun 26 2008,18:29 PM

Two fantastic watches, but the nod goes to the 5159.  Nothing better than a Patek perpetual with retrograde date.  One of the all-time best watch designs in WG or any metal.

The case of the 5159 has also been upgraded to just the right size for the officers case.

The LP is formidable, but there is no comparison regarding dial layout.  Lange movement is probably unbeatable in regard to finish--though don't ask me why but I prefer the larger rotor of the Patek.

And for me a large sweep seconds hand is much preferred to a smaller sub-dial.  Gives the watch a lot more life and definitely easier to follow.  Zero-reset a plus, but not crucial.

(You will also get your price difference back plus some if you later decide to sell.)

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Go with the Lange, because
Jun 27 2008,01:20 AM

it has more features, the blue of the moon dial is brighter, big date, Lum adds to the easy reading of the dial, and you'll save 15 k for yoour nest Uhren-Virus attack.

Best Wishes,

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=RWK=

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easy .... the Langematik Perpetual ...
Jun 27 2008,07:05 AM

and it is not even my fav. Lange!

The 5159´s predecessor, the 5059, was a fantastic watch with one or two
flaws; - its size (diameter to small) and - the date-eating-leapyear
indicator. Otherwise it was fantastic. I do prefer manual wind movements but
on a Perpetual Cal. watch an automatic movements has its merits from a pure
practical POV.

This 5159 I don like; the red-tip on the date pointer, the shape of both the
minute and hour hand, the, sorry, ugly guilloche-pattern in the center of
the dial, the font used for the date numerals and the already mentioned
position of the leapyear indicator.

The hinged back is fantastic, of course, as are the lugs (is it me, or are
the screws holding the strap less pronounced on the 5159 compared to the
5059 or can it be explained by the smaller size of the latter?)

The Lange ... it isnt to legible a watch and I really dislike the leapyear
indicator, but I prefer it over the 5159. IF patek changes and tweaks the
5159 a little then it can become the prettiest of all PP´s ... just make it
look like a 5059-XL

But ... do yourself a big favor and visit an AD and have a look at the
Langematik Perpetual. See, feel and smell the build quality and level of
finishing a Lange watch possess. A Lange und Söhne watch is so different
compared to a PP, you really should treat yourself and find out!

Edwin

had to add this:

(pic taken from the PP website)

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Langematik Perpetual
Jun 27 2008,12:22 PM

Hello

Pictures speak more than words...

 

Gruß

Andreas

 

 

 

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PP 5159 picture
Jun 27 2008,17:57 PM

Picture from PP website. Unfortunately, the sundial doesn't quite show up in the real watch. The difference in level of detail on the dial, and more importantly the depth, is quite apparent ...

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5159J vs LP Sincere collection.
Jun 29 2008,08:17 AM

Hi there,

Come across these two pieces in the same day.The 5159J does not need any introduction but....

the LP Sincere Jubliee collection is something very diffrerent to many but quite simillar to those who owns the Sincere Collection stuff here.

It's the same diamater of LP but in RG and in black dial with very attractive RG hands in all the sub dials.

When it was first launched at the end of last year,i have only seen it in the brochure,it was not appealing to me at all mainly due to the quality of the picture.Therefore i did not give much attention and focus on this watch,untill......

......that fine day,i walked into the local AD who promised to show me the 5159J,after sometime i was hesistated to make a decision due to lack of appealing power/convincing attraction to let me hunt down this piece.I told the AD that i would consider it.After stepping out from this AD,i walked withour direction and intention,may be my mind was thinking about the conclusion of 5159.Finally,i ended up in my regular AD.As i sat down looking dismay,i saw bliking eyes of my AD friend......he opened the strong safe and showed a piece of LP Sincere Collection.

Straight away,my heart and soul was carried along with this piece.....its a beauty that no one can resist!Its simply irresistable.....The fineness of the craftmanship,i dare to say way ahead of Patek,the contrast of black and gold hands makes the dial friendlier to eyes vision.The sweet Rg and black combination really KILL......What happen!I have fallen in love again!

Please, if you are deciding between these pieces and if you are fond of gold in colour,please have a look at this piece before you decide,you will definately............speechless.

Hope to hear from you,soon.

BHK9

 

 

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Can't agree more with your point, EHH
Jun 29 2008,00:13 AM

Nicely and completely put, my friend...
Lange Perpetual, all the time.
Nothing more to add.
Best.
Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2008-06-29 00:14:16

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back to your..
Jun 28 2008,23:50 PM

taste, I find the LP YG not as pretty as 5159J but if look at the picture LP plat (have not seen in flesh) seems to be more striking and humble

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Langematik Perp...
Jun 29 2008,00:07 AM

the design is more appealing especially when worn daily for sometime. Truly a piece one can just stare at, classical styling for all ages. PT version fan here

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Langematik Perpetual vs Patek 5159G
Jun 29 2008,23:47 PM

I think the 5159G is much more readible that the Langematik Perpetual, even though the Langematik has the large date.   The dials for reading day of week and month are much more difficult to read on the Langematik.

The 5159G also is a clear win over the Langematik on aesthetics of dial.  Of course, this is subjective, and maybe there are some who consider the Langematik actually better.  I just think most will agree with me.

When it comes to retaining value, nothing beats Patek or even comes close.  When you look at auction prices, there is simply no contest. I wouldn't buy either as an investment, but what I'm talking about here is retaining value in case you want to sell it and buy something else some day.

The Langematik is a clear win on finish.  Patek used to be the best in finishing ... That is, until Lange came along again.

The Langematik is a clear win when it comes to not being top heavy.

The Langematik is also a clear win if you want to be able to hack and set your watch exactly.  When I need to know the exact time, such as when I'm taking trains in Tokyo, I like to keep the watch I'm wearing correct to within just a few seconds.
Eric von Schonberg

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The Langematik for me.
Jul 02 2008,12:18 PM

Honestly, the impressive point in the Patek is to see how simple is the caliber.

Patek manages to do it simple even for complicated watches.

But :

I prefer the design of the Langematik

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for me, on a daily basis, I find the Langematik more confortable. The ability to advance separately each information is very useful. If you add the zero reset and the large date, my choice is the Langematik without any doubt.

Fr.Xavier

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Get them both.....
Jul 02 2008,22:22 PM

Owning an LP means pure joy. It certainly is a magical timepiece that earns a lot of wrist time (the wear marks on mine prove this) in my humble abode. All the comparison points here are valid. That being said, I can't wait to receive the call from my Patek AD to let me know that my 5159G is in and ready for pick up. So it may be best to acquire both, hehe. You really can't go wrong with either one.

  

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For me, and by far, the Lange
Jul 02 2008,23:15 PM

This perpetual is, IMO, one of the nicest of the actual production.

And one of the nicest Lange, too.

The size, the thickness, the clear, clean  and elegant design of the dial, all is marvellous on this pc.

By far, without any doubts..The Lange!

Best.

Nicolas

 

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Advertisement for Langematik Pertetual
Aug 01 2008,14:53 PM

If you are interested, there is an ad for the Langematik Perpetual in youtube. Just go to youtube and search for the langematik perpetual and you will find it. It may not be interesting to all though.

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